Maybe not but what are your thoughts? A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. None of us are and its okay. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. I dont understand this at all. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Weve seen a lot of big men in Star Trek but no big girls. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . By: TrekMovie.com Staff Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Since you said mum Im going to assume youre in the UK, and I can personally confirm that you can get some great help, including face to face therapy, through the NHS, for free. It makes it quite American centric. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Where are they!? Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. By: TrekMovie.com Staff For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Well said, Edward. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. They just didnt do much with him. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Absolutely. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Wiseman had other things to do. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. Sharing? Agreed. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Picard is the third Kurtzman Production. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Tilly accepts herself but she rises to challenges, leads in a crisis, is there for her friends but still explores what she wants for *herself*, and mentors others to help them grow! No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Sonequa is a great actress. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Is Mary Wiseman leaving Star Trek: Discovery, role of Tilly? - CarterMatt Agree. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. The message she is sending how? but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. Tilly is justannoying. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. Shaming is one thing. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. Have to disagree. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. And I felt that was ridiculous. Samarkand? Makes sense. Actually, the production team is not helping either. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). ;). At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. Its gotten very stale now. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and David Ajala Dish and Discuss 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. What do you think it looks like? Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. She hopped over those 900 years. Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. And others opinions dont factor in. Diplomacy? Theres a little Harley Quinn. She isnt back on Discovery. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. | March 22, 2022 | Its just lazy writing. But the characters are pitch perfect. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? lol ;). Every woman is very beautiful. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). WATCH: Moments of Discovery - Tilly's Snowglobe | Star Trek Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. For your own good, please seek help. I dont think Tilly is ruined. Shes changed. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Have to completely agree you T2. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. Why did they do that? I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Star Trek: Discovery actor Mary Wiseman has a - Daily Star Trek News Mary Wiseman | Body Measurements She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. PS. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. actor requirements for shows/movies ridiculous? - Page 2 Age is affecting my memory haha. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. All are different. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. Sorry TM, its MY fault! Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. Exactly. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Mary Wiseman Weight Gain - Before & After Photos Exposed - Mixedarticle So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. Do you see that tension? However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. But then again Im not a troll. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Sylvia Tilly | Memory Alpha | Fandom Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. What tradition do you speak of? That is not anything to diss. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Just blows my mind. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. Shes a little overweighed, so what? The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! I have considered it and rejected it. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. 42 comments so far. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. Learning? I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. I like the way you think! Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. And tons dont. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. Episodes will be. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Everyone has their gifts. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. He also has emotional intelligence. | November 13, 2021 | But respect is always earned and never enforceable. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. What accent? I think the ship can handle a little chonk. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! So I was also just very excited for the fans. It was a good perspective in S1, and lines up with Star Trek values. She brings so much heart to the show. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. I could watch Tilly all day! Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Shes not going anywhere. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. I found him quite annoying, myself. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Ive never liked Tilly. Its could have (or couldve). Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. Thats undeniable. Tillys a fantastic character. She doesnt inspire confidence. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. Many smoke to keep the weight off. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. We never saw her effort to become that person. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. I think theres room for it. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. Hopefully its . As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. I have to agree. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Is Tilly leaving 'Discovery'? Star Trek star explains that shocking Sylvia Tilly (mirror) | Memory Alpha | Fandom I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Xanadu? That will be the one I read first! No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly.
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